Arguing With Atheists

This website endorses Donald Trump. He's clearly no Saint, but his political views are the most Pro-Life of the two political Presidential Candidates. Catholics need to be cognizant that there may be as many as five seats on the US Supreme Court to be filled by the next President of the United States. Christians must be vigilant not to be influenced by cunning deception to vote for anyone other than the most Pro-Life Political Candidate which is Donald Trump, who has provided a list of outstanding Conservative Pro-Life Judges. We know with absolute certainty, that if elected, Hillary Clinton will fill every one of those vacancies with ultra liberal pro-abortion judges. Christians who vote for abortion directly enable those who rip these defenseless innocent pre-born babies apart. Jesus said that whosoever harms one of these little ones, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea (Mark 9:42).


One of the primary purposes of this site is to utilize scientific reasoning to help confirm the existence of God for those who doubt and/or question traditional devotion.  Beginning with the earliest civilizations, all peoples were preoccupied with the belief in a higher supernatural Creator. Clues are found in every ancient culture from the Aztecs to the Zapotecs supporting the idea of a Supreme Being and a continuation of a supernatural existence after the mortal one. The first advanced civilizations such as the ancient Egyptians were so preoccupied as to create the immense structures of the great Pyramids to assist the Pharaohs in entering the next life. Even cultures separated by vast oceans followed similar paths. Why? The clues are all around us.  This site is designed to assist Catholics as well as other Christian denominations in debating with atheists. In certain aspects it may also be of assistance to some of the Jewish faith, hence we have a Jewish contributing writer.  This topic is becoming of increasing importance due to the effects small minorities are attempting to impose on the vast majority.


Productive debating with veritable or science based atheists can require mutually accepted criteria, methodology and fundamental foundation, such as logic, rational and science, to elicit mutual conformity.  In these circumstances, the Bible, Faith and/or Private Revelation could be an enigma to these particular nonbelievers, as the Bible could be considered biased.  Faith and Private Revelation would likely be considered supernatural and/or unverifiable as well (aside from the 1917 Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, Portugal - a miracle that was performed in front of tens of thousands of skeptical spectators at an exact time and place so that "All may believe").  Conversely, contrived atheists endeavor to focus on Biblical disputation, pirating the bulk of their ammunition from websites constructed to contend with evangelical Christians. Many of these sites were erected by influential Jewish Professors to help curtail the crisis of escalating Jewish conversions to Christianity; such as By barraging novice Catholic debaters with this huge bulk of philosophical disputations compiled by some of the most prominent Rabbis in the world, atheists have manipulated some believers into performing reverse triple pirouetting summersaults in defending their faith. An example would be evidence that the town of Nazareth was unsettled in the first Century; this substantiation eventually unraveled in 2009 when archeologists discovered a first Century Jewish home in Nazareth (1). Resolute Atheism necessitates an absence of anything to do with an entity of a spiritual nature that would have been capable of creating or maintaining the Universe.  Consider a young child in Disneyworld, unaware of the network of underground tunnels necessary for exhibit functions.  The parent is aware that there is more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye.  Likewise, the earliest cultures realized that there is more going on regarding creation than meets the eye.  The devout spiritual can read between the lines and perceive what the myopic minded fail to perceive. Most people are able to reason that there must be an Intelligent Design to the formation and maintenance of the Universe.  Yet, even today, there are small minorities who are unable to comprehend that connection.

(click on "Intelligent Design" for arguments revealing scientific proof of God's Hand in Creation)


Atheists have been adept at bolstering their numbers by attempting to affix themselves to non-religious categories of poll studies (2).  For example; a statistical study of major religions of the world ranked by the number of adherents, sets non-religious at about 16% worldwide (3).

The polls establish that half of that segment are simply non-practicing, while the remaining 8% are comprised of agnostic, atheist, secular humanists, as well as no specific religious preference,  "atheists are a small subset of this grouping".  Where an atheist might endeavor to lead others to consider their category to be 16% - 18% of the general population, it is more realistically about 3% - 4%According to a 2012 graph published by the Pew Research Center (an American Think Tank Organization based in Washington, D.C. that provides Government information on issues, attitudes and trends shaping the United States), people describing themselves as "atheist" represented 2% of the total US population (4). Via several analogous poll studies, it is evident that only a fraction of that figure represents those who truly believe that there cannot be a Supreme Creator - coupled with the belief that there is no life after death. These figures bring an entirely new level to the renowned phrase: "the tail wagging the dog".

Atheists have the lowest retention rate of any religious group (5). At the bottom of the chart, atheists retain only 30% of their congregation, which at least indicates that most become wiser as they get older. 70% of Americans raised by atheist parents to believe that God does not exist, eventually become a member of a religion as an adult. Whereas religions such as Christians typically only swap denomination.

World / Atheist 3% - 4% US / Atheists 2%   US / Atheist Retention 30%


Billboard mocking Christianity in Times Square

Why Argue?

One of the principal functions for arguing or debating can be illustrated by the ever increasing attacks on Religious Liberty, particularly by militant atheists, who have repeatedly demonstrated contempt for other people's rights to hold and practice Religious beliefs. Christians (particularly Catholics) are specifically targeted because of our "turn the other cheek philosophy" which can make us appear to be the most vulnerable targets "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also" (Matthew 5:39). Nonbelievers have characteristically confined harassments to nonviolent faiths; observably none of their billboards would venture into mocking Mohammad. In addition to harassing Catholics, millionaire atheists such as Todd Stiefel have solidly identified themselves as Democrats, financing billboards attacking Republican politicians over their belief in God (6, 7).






On the second day of the Democratic convention the attendance loudly denied God three times. On the closing of the final day, Cardinal Dolan courageously spoke against their core philosophy; the systematic murdering of tens of millions of innocent babies, free contraception, socialism, etc.

Atheist groups are much less intimidated proclaiming Jesus as a myth, notwithstanding that John Dickson (Founding Director of the Center of Public Christianity) challenged that if any atheist could find a full professor of Classics, Ancient History or the New Testament in any Accredited University in the world who believes that Jesus never lived, he would eat a page out of his Bible (8). His Bible has remained quite safe. The Catholic faith is being attacked at unprecedented levels, from removal of Crosses from Military gravesites to Nativity scenes throughout the Country. Currently, Catholics in the the USA are fighting for their rights against a Religiously hostile Presidential administration attempting to force an agenda on Catholic Americans incongruous to our faith (9, 10, 11, 12).  The HHS Mandate being imposed on Catholics by the Obama administration will force Catholics to fund abortion producing drugs and contraception. Catholic Doctrine has opposed the killing of defenseless babies and contraception for over 2,000 years. "And whosoever shall harm one of these little ones, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea" (Mark 9:42) and "Thou shalt not kill" (the 6th Commandment).


The Holy Roman Catholic Church's position on abortion has placed It in the crosshairs of atheist and liberal groups for decades. Providentially, some science based atheist groups have very recently trended toward a Pro-Life position (13, 14, 15). Although the Catholic Church's Pro-Life stance is founded on Old (Torah) & New Testament Doctrine, science based atheist groups arrived at parallel conclusions founded on fundamental logic. For example; many Freudian Psychotherapy textbooks teach that when severely emotionally distraught patients regress into a fetal position, they are reverting to a time when they felt most secure, in their mother's womb. Hence, if medical patients can recall their emotions and feelings before birth, it supports the rationale that a fetus (Latin word for baby or young child) is a living person. Other conclusions were based on how the fetus responded to stimuli, pain, etc., coupled with the impracticality of producing incontrovertible evidence supporting contentions that a fetus is not a person. Pro-Life atheist Christopher Hitchens: "..the fetus is also an autonomous individual, and that society cannot decently permit one body (or soul) to be owned or disposed of by another" (16).


“Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.” ~ Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsberg.




The Trouble With Atheism (Part 1 of 7)

Dr. Bernard Nathason (the atheist co-founder of NARAL) became Pro-Life and eventually Catholic due to sonograms and other advances in observing the fetus (17). Sandra Fluke, a law student from Georgetown University, was afforded prime speaking time at the 2012 Democratic Convention for quarrelling how contraception for her recreational dorm room sex exceeded $3000/yr. The Democratic vision is to force taxpayers to foot these expenditures. Irregardless of how many truckloads of condoms were delivered to Fluke's dorm; there are 157 million women in the USA, that's about half a trillion per year in new debt. Notwithstanding that the first day of the Democratic Convention commenced on Obama's crowning achievement of skyrocketing the National Debt past the $16 trillion mark (at $22T the USA becomes insolvent, as we would become unable to meet our minimal debt obligations; Our financial predicament would become tantamount to Greece).


Blindness About Obama

These Democratic ideologies have cost us our National Credit Rating (which is about to be downgraded a second time), increased unemployment to levels not seen since WWII (from an average of 5.24% under George W. Bush to an average of 9.12% with Barack Obama), and nearly doubled the people on food stamps and unemployment. And now Obama is giving 20 free F-16 fighter jets ($20 million production cost each / $400 million total) and 200 tanks ($8 million production cost each / $1,600 million total) to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. What's next? Sending terrorists free American made suicide bomb belts?






Aborted babies found in garbage bags in dumpster behind abortion mill in Michigan.




Singled out from over 41,000 Christian denominations (18), the Catholic Church has typically been an exclusive target. Many Catholic adversaries have contended that the Vatican should sell all its artwork, buildings, Churches, museum artifacts and relics donated over the past two thousand years and give the proceeds to the poor. Aside from being a novel approach for dismantling a nemesis; should we also liquidate all our great museums (such as the Museum of Natural History) and give all the proceeds to the poor? All these artifacts are on display for the millions people who visit the Vatican every year to view our Catholic Heritage.

Notwithstanding these criticisms, the Catholic Church is still the largest charitable organization in the entire world. Adding up just Catholic Charities, Food for the Poor, Catholic Relief Services, St. Jude's, and America's Second Harvest alone total $5,570,000,000, which is greater than #1 on the list for America (19). "The nonprofit health-care system includes 637 hospitals, accounting for 17% of all U.S. hospital admissions. The Catholic Church runs 122 home health-care agencies and nearly 700 other service providers, including assisted living, adult day care, and senior housing. Catholic hospitals alone have annual expenses of $65 billion and account for 5% of U.S. health-care spending. Catholic Charities USA consists of 1,400 agencies that run soup kitchens, temporary shelters, child care, and refugee resettlement" (20). It would make more sense for those who oppose the Catholic Church liquidate all their assets and give it to the poor.




Bringing Religion Back To School

Prayer banned in schools 1962 / Bible banned 1963 / 10 Commandments 1980





A. Young People

1. For 15 years before 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 years had been no more than 15 per thousand After 1963 pregnancies increased 187% in the next 15 years.

2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.

3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.



B. The Family

1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.

2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%

3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.

4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.


Listen Up Radio Show on the Cause of School Violence


Darrell Scott (father of Rachel Scott - victim of the Columbine High School shootings) addressed the House Judiciary Committee: "We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence" (21).

C. Education

1. The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test has been used since 1941.

2. In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.

a. That could have an impact if the private schools had higher SAT scores. In checking with the SAT Board it was found that indeed the SAT scores for private schools were nearly 100 points higher than public schools.

b. In fact the scores were at the point where the public schools had been before their decline started in 1963 when prayer and Bible reading/ instruction was removed from the schools.

c. The scores in the public schools were still declining.

3. Of the nation's top academic scholars, three times as many come from private religious schools, which operate on one-third the funds as do the public schools.


D. The Nation

1. Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

2. Illegal drugs have become an enormous & uncontrollable problem.

3. The nation has been deprived of an estimated 55 million citizens through legal abortions just since 1973.


There appear to be two rudimentary classifications of nonbelievers, for lack of conventional designations, we have referred to these groups as "Contrived Atheists" and "Veritable Atheists". Before debating, it would be prudent to ascertain which category the contender represents. The vast majority seem fall into the "Contrived Atheist" classification. These self-proclaimed nonbelievers appear to have an entrenched hostility towards religion in general.  These evangelical atheists characteristically exhibit an apparent abhorrence towards God, likely resulting from something grievous that happened in their lives, which they somehow ironically attributed to God. They tend to exhibit a complaining whiney persona, that can almost appear comical. It is difficult to consider these people genuine atheists, particularly due to the perplexity of being angry at something they proclaim not to exist; literally blaming God for everything from zits to the Andromeda - Milky Way collision (predicted to occur four billion years from now). These are the people whose actions help support the popular theist conviction; "There are no such thing as authentic atheists". Arguing with this form of atheist will likely digress into trading "one liners" or "barbs of pointed witticisms", with diminutive results. They can remind you of the typical axioms; "going in one ear and out the other" or "spinning your wheels".  Most of these professed nonbelievers endeavor to "jerk your chain" or "attempt to get a rise out of you".  They are tantamount to those who argue that NASA never landed on the moon in the late 60''s and early 70's.  Whether the evidence be communication records, Moon rock samples, photographs, retro-reflectors left on the lunar surface, testimony, video, etc., all evidence is completely ignored.  They tend to talk at you with memorized lines, completely oblivious to what to what anyone else is saying. One amusing ruse is to ask "If you died and found yourself before God, what would you say?" They all seem to have a skillfully prepared statement. Even the late famed atheist Christopher Hitchens (God rest his soul) was once caught off balance retorting "At least I never faked belief in order to win your approbation" (22). The bottom line is; If contrived Atheist are thoroughly convinced God doesn't exist, why do they all have a memorized emergency parachute plan "B" statements?  In contrast, "Veritable Atheists" are fundamentally science based and appear to have a more balanced or logical approach in debating. They tend to demonstrate a genuine interest in objective systematic discussion incorporating sound reason. They appear to have a genuine interest in arguments challenging and supporting a Supreme Creator, and lack the dramatic emotional God and religion bashing. Arguing with these nonbelievers can feel more like a rational discussion than a debate.

     When debating with an atheist, it becomes apparent that they do have some legitimate contentions, particularly with Catholics.  Likewise, we do have some very questionable actions in our history that can be awkward to defend.  It is a foregone conclusion that atheists will gravitate towards these tough topics.  Regretfully, this has lead some Catholics to become perceptibly uncharitable while debating.  Debating with a knowledgeable atheist can certainly become arduous, as all the skeletons will be dragged out of the closet.  Subsequently, it would be prudent to become acquainted with certain targeted segments of history, particularly regarding events in the past that can be most vulnerable.


     The three major Catholic Inquisitions (Medieval 1148-1230, Spanish 1478-1501 & Roman 1542-1858) are likely targets. These were very brutal periods of history in which the Church was defending territory from hostile Muslim conquerors (Moors), as well as reclaiming Islamic conquered provinces. In those days, Christians living in Muslim occupied territory who resisted converting to Islam were executed by the tens of thousands. Many Christians in these occupied territories pretended to convert, but practiced Catholicism in secret. The Catholic Church also held somewhat of a hard line, about 2,250 people were tortured and killed over a period of about 710 years for anything ranging from doctrinal disputes, to apposing scientific ideologies (approximately 3 people per year). For example, centuries ago, the Catholic Church (as well as all developed society at that time) adopted the Celestial Sphere Orbs Theory developed by Aristotle (debatably an atheist). In these celestial models, the stars and planets are carried around by being embedded in rotating crystal spheres moving around the Earth. The Catholic Church was open to Aristotle's theory because Genesis 7 in the Bible states: "God made a dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it". Hundreds of years later when 3,500 year old copies of Genesis were translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls, we learned that this dome (firmament in some translations) was only referring to the sky or atmosphere. Giordano Bruno (a Catholic Priest Philosopher) was burned at the stake by the Church for heresy (February 17, 1600) and his writings forbidden because he believed in the Copernican Heliocentrism theory by Nicolaus Copernicus, which held that the Earth was spherical and orbited the Sun (23). As bizarre as it may seem, notwithstanding Nicolaus Copernicus was a Catholic Astronomer with a Doctorate in Canon Law, his Earth/Sun model was condemned on the Catholic Church's Index of Forbidden books.  A statue of Bruno was constructed in 1889 at the site where Bruno was burnt, which eventually became a place of annual commemoration by atheists (24, 25).  Oddly, some Catholics opted to sanction the burning of Bruno in several debate discussions, citing unsupported anti-religious claims that were likely fabricated to help justify and seal the execution.  "Cardinal Angelo Sodano declared Bruno's death to be a "sad episode". Despite his regret, he defended Bruno's persecutors, maintaining that the Inquisitors "had the desire to preserve freedom and promote the common good and did everything possible to save his life" by trying to make him recant (26).  The quandary of Sodano's contrite account is that the Earth actually is spherical and does orbit the sun.  Giordano Bruno’s jaw was clamped shut with an iron gag that pierced his  tongue with iron spikes. He was then paraded through the streets of Rome, stripped of his clothes and burned at the stake wearing the tongue piercing gag.  Notwithstanding that Jesus told several self righteous Pharisees attempting to execute a woman caught in the act of adultery: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (John 8:01).  How did the Church digress so far from Scripture?


What They Don't Teach Our Children In Public School


The truth about the Inquisitions:

The truth about the Crusades: (full video)

85 Yr Old Austrian Kitty Werthmann Lived Under Hitler & Speaks of Socialism




One of Britain's most resolute unbelievers. A philosopher who for many decades has proclaimed his lack belief in any kind of God. Then late at 2004 Professor Antony Flew declared that he had changed his mind after reading Dr Gerald Schroeder's books. (Dr Schroeder is a leading Israeli scientist)

Famous atheists last words before dying




The left wants to rip God from the Sky, but they demonstrate their weakness when they attempt to rationalize our Creator away




The next Copernican target was the famous astronomer Galileo Galilei, who was threatened to be burned at the stake and shown the torture devices (including the recovered tongue piercing gag) used on Giordano Bruno. He was compelled to sign a document supporting Aristotle's Celestial Sphere theory and denouncing Copernicus' Heliocentrism theory.  In 1642, the great astronomer Galileo died in custody. These lessons are directly why the Catholic Church abandoned disputation of verifiable scientific evidence. "The Catholic position on [scientific creationism] is clear. St. Thomas [Aquinas] says that ‘one should not try to defend the Christian Faith with arguments that are so patently opposed to reason that the Faith is made to look ridiculous.’ It is simply nonsense to say that the world is only 6,000 years old. To try to prove this scientifically is what St. Thomas calls provoking the irrisio infidelium, the scorn of the unbelievers" (27). Another example of the harshness of the Church in those days would be a Pomponio Alerio, a young Civil Law Student who in 1556 was slowly boiled to death in oil for believing that men are capable of performing good works of their own merit. The Church taught that no man could do anything good without God's help. In Pomponio's case, the Church offered the hospitality of strangling him before boiling him in oil if he recanted, which he refused. Five hundred years ago there was only one Church; The Holy Roman Catholic Church. But the harshness in those days is likely why there are over 41,000 Christian based religions today. Jesus prayed: "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one" (John 17:28). As Catholics, we pray that one day these 41,000 branches will be graphed back onto the vine from which they had became separated.

     There are more recent examples of reported religious mistreatment by the Catholic Church. From the 1950's to the 1970's, it is claimed that the Catholic Church in Australia forced over 150,000 women to adopt their newborn babies against their will (29, 30). Perth Archbishop Barry Hickey issued a statement on July 25, 2011 that there was little evidence to support these forced adoption claims (28). On the premise of rehabilitating young girls, the Magdalene Laundries began in Ireland in 1767, expanding throughout Europe, Britain, Canada as well as the United States, and lasting to as recently as 1996. Although the first were Protestant facilities, many were operated by Catholic Nuns. The 2002 movie "The Magdalene Sisters" was a dramatizing film loosely based on a 1998 television shock film "Sex in a Cold Climate". The foundation of these films is based on the testimony of four women: Phyllis Valentine, Brigid Young, Martha Cooney and Christina Mulcahy (who have pending monetary lawsuits against the Irish Government and Catholic Church). These two films caused such a multi-national outrage against the Catholic Church that the United Nations (UN) became involved. On June 6, 2011, the UN formed a special committee on the Magdalene Laundries, which demanded a full investigation by the Irish Government (31). The basis of these films is that when a young girl became pregnant out of wedlock in Ireland (including circumstances of compulsory rape), the baby was forcibly sent off to adoption and the girl was sent to many years of mandatory slave labor at a Magdalene Laundromat. Life there was depicted as cruel; these young girls were forced to scrub clothes all day and were allegedly sexually molested by lesbian nuns on a routine basis. However, on February 5, 2013, the resulting Irish Government "Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee to establish the facts of State involvement with the Magdalene Laundries" headed by Senator Martin McAleese found these abuse claims to be completely fabricated (32). For example, 4 minutes & 20 seconds into the film "Sex in a Cold Climate", Brigid Young testified that "They used to touch you a lot. They used to line us up every Saturday night, and they used to make us strip naked for them. And we would be standing at the bottom of the laundry, and they would be laughing at us, and they would be criticizing us, and if you were heavy, fat or whatever, they would shout abuse to us. We had no privacy. They would enjoy having us strip naked". However, the 118 women (all available minus the handful suing the Church and the Irish Government) interviewed in the McAleese Report (who were institutionalized with Brigid Young) had no recollection of any of these abuses (33). Furthermore, they all testified that they never even heard of such mistreatment. The real "so-called" Magdalene Laundry survivors were more shocked and surprised by these abuse allegations than anyone else. The Catholic League has released a booklet entitled "Myths Of The Magdalene Laundries" dispelling numerous false claims with factual evidence (34). With the testimony of the 118 women as well as the depositions of all the living doctors who treated these women at the Magdalene facilities, the claims of mistreatment seem to be categorically impossible.


Many of these fanatical behaviors may be attributed to the resulting countless Christian splinter groups who eventually chose to gaff themselves off from the Apostolic Successorship of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.  It is also likely that several of these actions alienated other people who chose to abandon the Christian faith, and quite possibly any faith altogether.  In September of 1999, one of the greatest and most loved Popes, John Paul II, took the noble action of issuing a formal apology for all the mistakes committed by some Catholics in the last 2,000 years of the Church's history, including the trial of Galileo (35, 36). For these reasons, the Holy Roman Catholic Church abandoned dogmatic adherence to theoretical models susceptible to alteration as science progresses. Distancing Itself from Creationism, toward science based Intelligent Design; the idea that the broad aspect of creation reveals a logical strategic plan. Similar to how analyzing the brush strokes of a painting can reveal details about the artist.


     The pedophile priest scandal frequently becomes a poignant target. Adept atheists are well aware of the of the infamous 1962 Secret Vatican directive authored by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani (then head of the Holy Office) which mandated the excommunication of children victimized by pedophile priests in the event they sought help from authorities, (as uncovered by CBS News in 2003). Atheists articulated compelling arguments that this document was specifically drafted to nurture pedophiles priests and provide them with sanctuary within the Catholic Church (37, 38, 39).  As soon as CBS News uncovered the 1962 Ottaviani mandate, the Catholic Church swung into damage control, endeavoring to minimize the directive’s role and significance. It would be wise to read this document very carefully, as defenders of this mandate claimed the secrecy is only to maintain the sanctity of the Confessional.  The directive clearly broadens the range and scope to before, after and outside the Confessional on the very first page "even apart from confession". The victimized children needed only to make one confession in their lifetime to be subject to the adroit legal phrasing. Defensive articles attempting to diminish the significance of this Ottaviani directive claim that it does not bar the child victims from making separate charges about the priest's sexual misconduct. On the contrary, atheists pointed out that in the event the injured party declined absolute secrecy (sought protection and/or justice from the authorities), the directive clearly mandates the molester victims be excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church for life. The Ottaviani directive makes this unmistakably crystal clear throughout the document (40, 41).  This mandate was sent to every Bishop in the world.  We observed one irate Catholic woman challenging a contending atheist: "Show me evidence of even one child that was excommunicated for going to the authorities!"  Obviously, it took over forty years of legal battles to even uncover the secret Ottaviani directive, it would probably take an act of Congress to dig deeper.  Some Catholics have taken the position that Ottaviani's intent was to protect Church assets from expensive litigation and keeping awkward misdeeds in house.  Atheists have countered; "only a pedophile would safeguard a pedophile", which does present a certain logic.  If the Church was seeking to protect its assets, contacting the proper authorities immediately upon learning of sexual child abuse would have certainly accomplished that objective (42). Notwithstanding this directive, studies have shown that proportional sexual abuse by Catholic Priests is less than any other group, such as Boy Scout Leaders, Sports Coaches, School Teachers, etc. (43, 44, 45, 46). The Catholic Church provided voluntary compensation to victims exceeding $3 Billion, far beyond any other group. Moreover, a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education statistically concluded that sexual abuse of students is over a hundred times more likely by a public school employee, than by a Catholic Priest (47).


     The Crimen Sollicitationis Directive reversed Pope Saint Pius V's original Decree stating "Whoever commits such an execrable crime (pedophilia), by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss."  Crimen Sollicitationis imposes the strictest secrecy and orders that an oath of secrecy be taken by the Church officials appointed to make inquiries and hold a trial.  This secrecy is described as "a secret of the Holy Office". Breaking it incurs automatic expulsion (excommunication) from the Church, without any need for a declaration. The oath of secrecy must be imposed on the accusers and/or denouncers, as well as the accused, who if s/he breaks it will be automatically expelled by that very act. The Oath in Formula A is to observe the secret of the Holy Office.


Canon Lawyer Father Thomas Doyle on Crimen Sollicitationis CNN on Crimen Sollicitationis


Crimen Sollicitationis also nulls the 1917 Code of Canon Law Canon 2359, §2: "[Clerics in major orders] If they have committed an offense against the sixth commandment with minors under sixteen years of age, or been guilty of adultery, rape, bestiality, sodomy, traffic in vice, or incest with blood relatives or relations by marriage in the first degree, they shall be suspended, declared infamous, deprived of every office, benefice, dignity, or position that they may hold, and in more grievous cases they shall be deposed." If the Catholic Church adhered to Pope Saint Pius V's Decree and upheld Canon 2359, §2, there would never have been a pedophile priest crisis, nor a Priest shortage crisis.


The Lavender Mafia: Some praying Mantis species disguise themselves as flower petals to snare their victims. Pedophiles likewise are adept at infiltrating organizations that put them in close contact with their adolescent prey.

In debate situations, atheists have attempted to float the idea that pedophile priests over the years have advanced to higher positions within the Catholic Church hierarchy, and subsequently drafted internal legal directives, documents and mandates to insulate and protect themselves from outside litigation.  There may be a certain logic to this supposition. In his viral paper "Standing with the Pope Against Homoheresy", Fr. Dariusz Oko, Ph.D. revealed that Pope Benedict XVI was battling a huge homosexual underground in the Vatican known as the Lavender Mafia "When they achieve a decision-making position, they try to promote and advance mostly those whose nature is similar to theirs" (48). "80 percent of pedophiles convicted in the USA are homosexuals". 90 percent of Priests convicted of pedophilia are homosexual. The bottom line is that Priests do not become pedophiles, pedophiles become Priests. Ingenuitive pedophiles target careers as Athletic Coaches, Boy Scout leaders, Day Care Workers, Priests, etc. The recent example of Jerry Sandusky illustrates how even a University such as Penn State chose to protect one of their own, while discarding the accusations and reports of pedophilia. Since the Cambrian era, predators have found ingenuitive methods to infiltrated their prey. Jesus foreseen and warned us to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" (Matthew 7:15). Before considering taking any defensive posture, we highly recommend becoming thoroughly familiar with and the this Youtube video:

Another recurrently beleaguered contention is the bizarre response by Bishop Raymond Boland to a newspaper article that stated: "The death rate of priests from AIDS is at least four times that of the general population".

Michael Voris of the Vortex /


Boland stated that these AIDS deaths show that priests are only human.  "A large part of the answer is implicit in the remarkable response to the situation tendered by Bishop Boland. To aver that a priest shows he is human by dying of AIDS is to say that it is somehow natural to our human state to engage in acts of passive consensual sodomy, from which the resultant infection takes its predictable course" (49).  Boland was later implicated in purportedly lying to his enraged congregation to protect a pedophile priest working with their children, in which documents implicated that he was allegedly aware the priest was a pedophile all along (50, 51).  "And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea" (Mark 9:42).  The necessary lesson of Judas is a powerful warning in the Gospel, if a disciple taught directly by Jesus can gravely falter, any other Church figure under the Pope can also gravely falter.  Our prayers certainly address all the mortified Priests who are in God's service for all the right reasons, this scandal must have taken a tremendous toll (52).


CCHD & Saul Alinsky

Priests are holy people who dedicate their lives to God.  Although it is wise to be cautious, insects have not chosen to completely abandon all flowers because of the diminutive risk of landing on one containing a praying mantis mimicking a petal.  It's overwhelming how much damage can be done by a tiny fraction.  It takes entrepreneurship, time, planning, architects, builders, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc. to build a house.  It only takes one evil person with one match to destroy it.  Unfortunately, those bent on destruction have this innate unfair leverage, namely; "It is much easier to destroy than to create".

We are deeply grieved and apologize for these unpleasantries, but it is necessary to be prepared for the most likely criticisms, as not to be caught off-guard.  As Catholics, we question how we could have ever got to this point, this is where some Private Revelations can help explain these Institutional breakdowns.  The answer appears to be internal corrosion of morals within the Church. Through a message given on October 13th (the anniversary day of the last Apparition of the Virgin Mary to the three children of Fatima and coinciding with the year of the Roe vs. Wade decision that became responsible for the deaths of over 55 million defenceless innocent pre-born babies in the US alone), by Our most Holy Mother to Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan  (declared worthy of belief by Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, as well as the Local Bishop Ito) we are told: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The Priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other Priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many Priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord" (53, 54, 55).


Catholic Univertity Notre Dame honoring pro-abortion Obama in front of vulnerable students while persecuting Pro-Life elderly Priest.









The following is a link to an informative blog debate.  Albeit protracted, it would be essential to read them (in their entirety) if you are considering debating with anti-Catholic atheists:


Two titans of the religious spectrum

famed late Atheist Christopher Hitchens (God rest his soul)

and esteemed Catholic apologetic Dinesh D'Souza

 clash in public debate at the University of Notre Dame

Wendy Wright and Richard Dawkins

About various issues regarding evolution

Note: Catholic Church does not oppose the theory of evolution

World famous atheist and creationist, Richard Dawkins, comes to

Australia to debate Cardinal George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney




Additionally it would helpful to further review blogs, forums and Youtube videos on these debate topics, as the crass lack of ethics and morals can be a considerable shock when debating with anti-Catholic atheists, analogous to thrusting a child as pure as new fallen snow into a Turkish prison.  Although most of the atheists writing on these blogs seem to be striving to get a rise out of Catholics by crude sexual comments and sadistic viewpoints, others seem to envision a world as portrayed by Woody Allen in the 1973 futuristic comedy film "Sleeper", in which everybody has sex with everybody all the time, devoid of children and responsibility.  It seems their only purpose for existence is the perfection of sexual promiscuousness, and the cure to all the world's dilemmas can only be solved by squadrons of aircraft sprinkling condoms all over the globe.  Many assert that the Catholic Church is killing societies with AIDS because it preaches abstinence.  That abortion, condoms and extreme sex are a universal remedy.  The truth is that the Catholic Church promotes abstinence outside marriage, which is the only effective method to combat these sexually transmitted diseases (STD's). Condoms are only partially effective during the isolated act of  intercourse and create a false sense of security, which leads to more encounters with more partners. Obviously humans are not robots, as intercourse begins with kissing and other oral actions in which bodily fluids make contact. The herpes simplex virus and syphilis are transmitted via kissing (56). Notwithstanding that abstinence is 100% effective and condoms are only 87% effective at best (57).  If you had a Russian Roulette pistol that could hold a 100 chamber cylinder, with 13 bullets in it (87 empty chambers), would you willingly spin the cylinder, put it to your head and pull the trigger?  A "no" answer is abstinence, a "yes" answer is condoms.  It's simple math, what's not to understand?  Furthermore, the false sense of security of condoms leads to increased sexual encounters, so the hypothetical Russian Roulette pistol is against your head much more often.  At some point, the odds will obviously catch up.  Moreover, observe the hostility and rage directed at any institution that stands in the way of their Utopian society base purely on sex.  They seem to manifest a sexual addiction, like a drug addict who would lash out against anyone standing in the way of their next fix.


Planned Parenthood endorses post-birth abortion


How condoms and sex are pushed our children:


Virginia public schools providing condoms to 12 year old students

(4 minutes 27 seconds into video)


Some Atheists incessantly endeavor to drag and confine debates to condoms (compelling many contenders to surmise that they limited their entire stock portfolio to prophylactics).  In debate situations, atheist typically craft countless unrealistic scenarios to justify condoms, and then ask; "Would the Roman Catholic Church recommend condoms if that were the case?"  Almost like dealing with a two year old, with the constant "What ifs".  Frequently, you may detect a noticeable hatred towards God, and begin to realize; "How can anyone have such deep rooted hatred for something they proclaim doesn't exist?"  Moreover, this rage seems to be similar to "angry child syndrome", whereas some children attempt to provoke a reaction from the parent (God) via negative behavior.  This can be clearly seen in one of the above examples, particularly with the atheist who repeatedly posted the provoking parody he made up of the Lord's Prayer.  When occasional statements arise similar to; "I would rather be laughing with my friends in hell, than spend eternity in Heaven crying with the Saints", it might be considered a Freudian slip of a belief in an afterlife (58).


Additional Resources Catholic Voting Test of Fire: Election 2012


Most Roman Catholic Parishes have been given informative lectures on the HHS Mandate. The following is an 84 minute presentation given by Catholic musician and speaker Al Barbarino. There are 67 million Catholics in the United States and 51 million votes are required to win a Presidential Election. Simply getting Catholics on the same page can be an effective means to sway all Political Elections.

  2012-09-18_Al_Barbarino.Mp3 (117MB file)  



Trent Horn

I don’t understand the concept of a God who would want suffering from His only Son?

Who is more moral: A man who doesn’t believe in heaven and lives a moral life, or a man who believes in heaven and is only living morally for the payoff?


Open Forum for Atheists

Friday, Mar 8, 2013 - 6pm ET

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Is it Catholics that teach about generational sin?

Why do we limit the source of morality to just God alone?

If faith is a gift does everyone receive it? If not, why not?


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